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Mid/Side Eq

Post by teknatronik » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:56 pm

Do a lot of you guys use this technique?
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Tarekith » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:12 pm

All the time when I'm mastering other people's work, rarely in my own music.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by steelo » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:19 pm

whats this then?
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by moderate » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:24 pm

stereo image widening/narrowing for specific frequency bands.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Tarekith » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:55 pm

It's not a widening technique per se, though sometimes you can fake it with M/S EQ. Basically certain plug ins will allow you to EQ only the content that is shared in both the Left and Right channels (ie, the mid), or frequencies that are different in both the left and right content (ie, the side). It's useful if say you have a mix where the vocal is a little too bright in the center, but you don't want to EQ the whole song which might make the lovely effects and stereo reverbs disappear. So you can use the mid channel of the EQ to adjust the vocal in the center, leaving the stereo information intact (mostly).

Off the top of my head I know Ableton's EQ8 and DMG's eQuality offer this, though I'm sure there's others too.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by steelo » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:14 pm

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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Van_Tek » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Mid/Side can be a seriously badass tool if you use it right. FabFilter Pro-Q is nice for this, as well as GlissEQ.
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Post by Walter Odington » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:59 pm

never got to grips with it tbh
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by TT_ » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:07 am

use it sometimes for widening stuff
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by thin king » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:38 am

izotope ozone 4 has this - I've mucked about a bit with it when using my AKG's, definitely recommend quality headphone use if you want to attmept it!
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by teknatronik » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:59 pm

some great advice, I find im using it more to spread the hats a tad bit, only when i dont want to use imaging....


I am wondering if I dare get into mid side compression, lol.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by TT_ » Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:30 am

teknatronik wrote:some great advice, I find im using it more to spread the hats a tad bit, only when i dont want to use imaging....


I am wondering if I dare get into mid side compression, lol.

dont be shy , squash those sides, push your sides out to the point of almost dissapeaaring in mono but not quite


but not on yer kick drum mind
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by teknatronik » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:54 am

tamprecision_ wrote:
teknatronik wrote:some great advice, I find im using it more to spread the hats a tad bit, only when i dont want to use imaging....


I am wondering if I dare get into mid side compression, lol.

dont be shy , squash those sides, push your sides out to the point of almost dissapeaaring in mono but not quite


but not on yer kick drum mind
Is that what it will do? I have yet to delve into this.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by leme » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:31 pm

so if your kick drum were a cantaloup and you well and truley pushed the sides out, like scooping out with a spoon, you'd have no juicy insides left but a very nice shell where the once juicy cantaloupe resided? I think i got it :idea:
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Subsequentstudio » Tue May 08, 2012 8:12 pm

Yep!

I have an EQ being custom built specifically for this task.. hot stuff!

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/masterin ... ue-eq.html

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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Walter Odington » Tue May 08, 2012 10:28 pm

emailed...
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by Subsequentstudio » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:12 pm

I have M/S no available in hardware (a custom build I had made), it such an eye opener being able to grab these channels and focus as required, you can do absolute wonders for a slightly knackered stereo image with little artefacts.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by confusiongrows » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:39 am

In a DAW that uses VSTs or AU plugins you can encode stereo sound from L/R into M/S and decode back again using the free Voxengo MSED plugin. Using REAPER's channel routing and this plugin it's pretty easy for me to set up mid/side processing but I didn't know I could do it until my most recent completed track where I used it in the mastering stage - I had a suggestion from a friend that I could use a harmonic exciter on the sides and it turned out it worked quite nicely. I'll definitely be trying this out in masters in future and using it in mixes where necessary, as it's quite handy for things like high passing the bass off the sides.
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by TT_ » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:05 pm

waves MS + EQ + S1 Imager will do this

you can set up an M/S matrix with utility / polarity reversal plugs and a couple of buses, no fancy plugs required

its one of those things that isnt very complicated but is hard to explain efficiently

it starts with the formula of M = L+R and S = L-R

i will attempt to explain this better later as if i try now it will be gobbledigook

the result is that you can put any plug you fancy on either the middle or the sides

there is also this:

http://www.mathewlane.com/DrMS.html which is fucking great
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Re: Mid/Side Eq

Post by TT_ » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:16 pm

have just downloaded demo for this:

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it is pretty fucking good, think i will be buying
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