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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by PaulBassRock » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:10 am

also, the kids aint getting into Breaks, cos when they go to the record shop the only stuff they can get on vinyl is bootlegs of old House tracks, not cool ;)
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by PaulBassRock » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:11 am

40 pages..
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by CBW » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:17 am

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CBW wrote:Caught, now in court 'cause I stole a beat
This is a sampling sport
But I'm giving it a new name
What you hear is mine
P.E. you know the time
Now, what in the heaven does a jury know about hell
If I took it, but but they just look at me
Like, Hey I'm on a mission
I'm talkin' 'bout conditions
Ain't right sittin' like dynamite
Gonna blow you up and it just might
Blow up the bench and
Judge, the courtroom plus I gotta mention
This court is dismissed when I grab the mike
Yo Flave...What is this?
Get hyped, c'mon we gotta
Gather around - gotcha
Mail from the courts and jail
Claims I stole the beats that I rail
Look at how I'm livin' like
And they're gonna check the mike, right? - Sike
Look at how I'm livin' now, lower than low
What a sucker know
I found this mineral that I call a beat
I paid zero
I packed my load 'cause it's better than gold
People don't ask the price, but its sold
They say that I sample, but they should
Sample this my bit bull
We ain't goin' for this
They say that I stole this
Can I get a witness?
Understand where we're goin
Then listen to this, plus my Roland
Comin' from way down below
Rebound c'mon boost up the stereo
Snakes in the morning
Wake up, scared afraid of my warning
They claim that I'm violent
Now I choose to be silent
Can I get a witness?
C'mon get wit' it
Something ain't right, I got to admit it
Made me mad when I was on tour
That I declared war on black radio
They say that I planned this
On the radio most of you will demand this
Won't be on a playlist
Bust the way that I say this: No Sell Out
You singers are spineless
As you sing your senseless songs to the mindless
Your general subject love is minimal
Its sex for profit
Scream that I sample
For example, Tom you ran to the federal
Court in U.S. it don't mean you
Yeah, 'cause they fronted on you
The posses ready, Terminator X yes he's ready
The S1Ws, Griff are you ready?
They say that I stole this
I rebel with a raised fist, can we get a witness?

:lol:

Now, you could argue that oldskool Hip Hop (Public Enemy/NWA) was better cos they used real breakbeats too

and that Jungle was better than D&B

and so on :lol:
funny how my hip hop collection suddenly stops with the demise of the sampling of drum loops in hip hop music :lol:
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by PaulBassRock » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:23 am

mine did , and I'm loads of others did too :lol:
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by innocent bystander » Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:38 am

youthful_implants wrote:
nic_ wrote:how come alot of breaks dont have big subs much?
cos its mostly made by white folks.
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by findog » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:47 am

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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by Bin Jesus » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:49 am

Ive just realised whats happened here. As a retaliation for being told we need to get more kids into the scene, the conversation has moved so as to be completely unfathomable to anybody who wasnt raving in the early 90s. Touche, old timers...touche...
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by 4444 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:53 am

finneh wrote:say u pick the amen, chop the kick and snare, and for 4mins u have the kick on the 1st and 3rd beat and the snare on the 2nd and 4th.. and during the 4 minutes there's no actual break of any sort, say in example a snare roll on bar 16 to 17 or whatever, totally nonexistent
/lil prick mode on
whould you call this tune "breaks"?
i think i'd call that tech-funk, which came out of breaks, but may actually be considered a genre or sub-genre of its own now. imo.
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by CBW » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:01 am

Bingo Jesus wrote:Ive just realised whats happened here. As a retaliation for being told we need to get more kids into the scene, the conversation has moved so as to be completely unfathomable to anybody who wasnt raving in the early 90s. Touche, old timers...touche...
More that, to get young kids involved in the scene they need to know what breakbeat is, when they know what breakbeat is, they will love it........ :woo:
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Post by innocent bystander » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:13 am

maybe stop patronising them calling them kids? i know it used to annoy me.

in order for breaks to reach a wide audience, people need to feel ownership. take dubsteps morphing to uk funky, it was because people felt they no longer owned the dubstep sound they'd been nurturing underground, so they moved on.

for people to love breaks, to want to make them, dj them, promote them, they need to feel ownership of the music. People, be it ben, me, steelz or any fucker, telling them what is and isn't breaks is only going to stop that.

i know what i consider to be breaks, and i'll play them, thankyouverymuch. if i'm told it's not breaks i'm playing, because there's not a huge bassline for 32 bars, or the tempo is under 130bpm, then i'm not going to want to be part of a scene that's already told me i'm not part of it.

purism is one thing, strong views is another, but if it stifles the growth, rather than fostering it, it's a bad, bad thing.
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by gary carter » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:18 am

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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by billvega » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:21 am

What the fuck is tech funk!? Seriously.
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by 4444 » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:26 am

billvega wrote:What the fuck is tech funk!? Seriously.
- Your sound has a distinct tribal house edge which you combine with breaks to form your own hybrid. Is that how you would describe it? From where and who does the influence come from?

I'd describe what I do as tech-funk. I'm a fan of rolling, organic-feeling productions that are laced with a techy vibe & built around a funky bedrock, so tech-funk seems to fit the bill. For the past couple of years there's been a real convergence within a certain style of breaks that's taken the sound further away from the hard & nasty nu-skool, and closer a house mindset, both in arrangements & in choice of sounds. The influence for what I do comes from a huge range of music & it's hard to pin down any one artist - the people I most admire though are the likes of the Chemical Brothers & Underworld, artists who have managed to create exciting, sustainable & quality music across long periods of time.

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Post by billvega » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:41 am

Ah, so tech funk is a posh word for plod? :) I've not heard any elite force since my return, is it not just tech house he is on about? Fuck all that, once you loose the breakbeat then its not breaks anymore. I do like house in all its forms but cant stand it being labelled as breaks
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Post by innocent bystander » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:45 am

he means tech funk, nbot tech house. the difference being, as far as i can tell, that there's not kick on the 2 and 4, underlying the snare.

but that's the problem i have with categorisation. it's 'breaks' because of that missing kick drum, and no more. it's not a different groove, feeling or anything, it's just missing a bit ;)
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by daniella downs » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:48 am

billvega wrote:Ah, so tech funk is a posh word for plod? :) I've not heard any elite force since my return, is it not just tech house he is on about? Fuck all that, once you loose the breakbeat then its not breaks anymore. I do like house in all its forms but cant stand it being labelled as breaks

techfunk will fuck your hardcore tearout up and then beat your whole family's ass.

techfunk does not play. it is the chuck norris of dance music.

do not fuck with techfunk.




lulz.


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Post by innocent bystander » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:50 am

ian, you KNOW deep down tech funk is house with 2 missing kick drums and no real depth. ;)

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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by billvega » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:53 am

I make Hardcore Funk
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by billvega » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:56 am

mmii wrote:ian, you KNOW deep down tech funk is house with 2 missing kick drums and no real depth. ;)

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You couldn't be sued for saying that!
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Re: The future of breaks....

Post by CBW » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:57 am

mmii wrote:maybe stop patronising them calling them kids? i know it used to annoy me.

in order for breaks to reach a wide audience, people need to feel ownership. take dubsteps morphing to uk funky, it was because people felt they no longer owned the dubstep sound they'd been nurturing underground, so they moved on.

for people to love breaks, to want to make them, dj them, promote them, they need to feel ownership of the music. People, be it ben, me, steelz or any fucker, telling them what is and isn't breaks is only going to stop that.

i know what i consider to be breaks, and i'll play them, thankyouverymuch. if i'm told it's not breaks i'm playing, because "there's not a huge bassline for 32 bars, or the tempo is under 130bpm, then i'm not going to want to be part of a scene that's already told me i'm not part of it.

purism is one thing, strong views is another, but if it stifles the growth, rather than fostering it, it's a bad, bad thing.
"The kids are alright" - The who
"if the kids are united" - Sham 69

it never bothered me....

I don't want anything stiffled, freedom of musical expression is vital, I just want people to have the choice and know where to go when those choices have been made.

otherwise you get a generation of people growing thinking that breaks is shit, when in fact it's fantastic and they've been listening to something else.

this too goes for Hip Hop and house.
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