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Re: Suicide

Post by innocent bystander » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:56 pm

Bigby. Someone rang you earlier. Please return their call.
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Post by alex_virr » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:59 pm

I don't know a whole lot about depression or suicide but I do know this. The former may be temporary and can be alleviated. The latter can't. If there's anything that can be done about the former, try that first. And Brian, seriously, get in touch with someone, me or anyone you want to, if you need a chat. We've all had tough times and the things that really made a difference to me during those times were other people.
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Re: Suicide

Post by BLista » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:05 pm

Soooo glad I popped in to see whagwaarnin'

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Re: Suicide

Post by innocent bystander » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:18 pm

Insightful. Thanks.
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Re: Suicide

Post by _fries » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:23 pm

i guess life in sweaters in the suburbs is far from suicidally depressing.
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Re: Suicide

Post by BLista » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:29 pm

CBT is akin to putting a plaster on a shotgun wound, in the case of clinical depression. It deals with the effect and not the cause. Sure, you can program yourself through various techniques, to avoid the deep underlying issues, but as with anything, papering over cracks just causes cracks to appear elsewhere - as is heavily documented.

Other choices are available, such as Rogerian 'Person centred' therapy, (which can appear a little patronising for some), or Gestalt (which is pretty much the opposite and can feel somewhat aggressive and in-your-face) which try to address the fundamental existential issues within.

My insight.... I think that full psychodynamic therapy, over as many sessions as required, is far more likely to herald acceptable long term results in long term sufferers, as it enables the sufferer to both understand and then embrace the issues which trigger depressive episodes. It can be a lengthy and extremely painful process for some....

Maybe sufferers should consider an integrative approach, something which combines all of the positive aspects of each of these.... but who is to say that the inexperience or intelligence of the therapist won't lead them to combine all of the worst?

But then what does my opinion matter? Or anyone else's for that matter? Opinion is just that - a selfish tunnel view of your own prejudices.

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Re: Suicide

Post by Dan Badbro_ » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:05 pm

Shaman opens up about something, deano shoots it down.

we all ignore Bigby.



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Re: Suicide

Post by Bin Jesus » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:07 pm

Bigby didnt get ignored dan, and nobody listens to deano these days anyway...
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Re: Suicide

Post by _fries » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:10 pm

Bigby is not easy to ignore tbh :lol:
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Re: Suicide

Post by BLista » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:12 pm

Dan Badbro_ wrote: I didn't read Deano's post I just jumped on the bandwagon, whereas if I had, I might have found it useful
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Re: Suicide

Post by Dan Badbro_ » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:16 pm

evidently :facepalm:
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Re: Suicide

Post by shaman » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:31 pm

BLista wrote:CBT is akin to putting a plaster on a shotgun wound, in the case of clinical depression. It deals with the effect and not the cause. Sure, you can program yourself through various techniques, to avoid the deep underlying issues, but as with anything, papering over cracks just causes cracks to appear elsewhere - as is heavily documented.

Other choices are available, such as Rogerian 'Person centred' therapy, (which can appear a little patronising for some), or Gestalt (which is pretty much the opposite and can feel somewhat aggressive and in-your-face) which try to address the fundamental existential issues within.

My insight.... I think that full psychodynamic therapy, over as many sessions as required, is far more likely to herald acceptable long term results in long term sufferers, as it enables the sufferer to both understand and then embrace the issues which trigger depressive episodes. It can be a lengthy and extremely painful process for some....

Maybe sufferers should consider an integrative approach, something which combines all of the positive aspects of each of these.... but who is to say that the inexperience or intelligence of the therapist won't lead them to combine all of the worst?

But then what does my opinion matter? Or anyone else's for that matter? Opinion is just that - a selfish tunnel view of your own prejudices.

bye
Tbh, that didn't really ring true with me. CBT is about breaking down some of the psychological barriers which become entrenched in long term depression. The cause of my depression is the seasons, but a good summer doesn't help when you become stuck in a cycle. The effects become the cause and cause more effects etc...

Perhaps my issues and yours? are not completely the same and what works for me doesn't work for you? Maybe... :chin:

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Re: Suicide

Post by _fries » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:32 pm

now that does sounds CRAAAZY
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Re: Suicide

Post by Dan Badbro_ » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:36 pm

Bye
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Re: Suicide

Post by Bin Jesus » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:37 pm

BLista wrote:bye
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Re: Suicide

Post by Bin Jesus » Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:38 pm

You keep using that word deano, i dont think you know what it means.
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Re: Suicide

Post by shaman » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:06 pm

anyone else want to pm me to reinforce their negative views on CBT?
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Re: Suicide

Post by Fandango Baglips » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:07 pm

I'll just ask in here. What is the max cc engine I can have after completing my CBT?
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Re: Suicide

Post by shaman » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:09 pm

:lol:
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Re: Suicide

Post by innocent bystander » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:10 pm

How old are you? After CBT you can drive a 125. You have to do a direct access course within 2 years to get full licence, and I think your age means you'd be able to get whatever size bike you want.

That's what I'm doing. Joining shaman on the bike rally ting. On a Suzuki 600 bandit.
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