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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:34 am 
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Props to BBWW for this one - this is well worth sharing.

Waves C1 comp-gate Sidechain Gating

If you've ever wondered how all the creative chopping in most tunes is done, you're about to find out!

Ok, this tutorial depends on what program you're using, but if you're familiar with your music making tools, it will be fairly simple to translate.

First, load two tracks, one with a sample of high hats or drums or whatever it is you want to use to control the gating, the other with the sample you want to have gated.

Pan the hats all the way to the left and the gate-sample all the way to the right.

Now, if you're in Cubase SX, create a group channel and connect both of the two channels to the group channel, then put your Waves C1 comp-gate onto the group channel. If you're using Fruityloops, I believe you can just set it so that both of your samples are connected to the same mixer track.

Now that you've loaded C1 comp-gate, you need to bypass the left side (the compressor) and set the Input Key to L -> R... make sure the attack and release on the Gate side are set very low and turn the Floor down as far as you care to turn it. EQ Mode should be on Wideband.

Next, I recommend playing with the remaining settings until your hats are cutting your sample apart and it sounds like you've suddenly turned into Infected Mushroom! (Hint: GateOpen and GateClose ought to be at the same level, from what I discovered)

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yea!

nice one alex and mr thanatos

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all that to do some gating



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volume automation sounds easier to me :o


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Tell you what's easier... TC Works Compressor & Sidechainer.

Believe me, I was using Waves for ages, then I had a go with TC - and I nearly cried when I realised the hours spent and flexibility lost.

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oi! Mr. SubtleGestures!

wheres you comment in the 'lets be nice to thread' SubtleGestures thread

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SubtleGestures wrote:
all that to do some gating



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volume automation sounds easier to me :o


well not really. If you want a part to gate in sync with another part (ie: the hi hats, to volume automate that would be quite laborious (I imagine). This way you can have any sound rythymically mirroring another sound without necessarily sounding like a total mash up.

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"gate in sync w/another part" please elaborate


I thought the only point for using sidechaing comp was to allow certain sounds to cut through the mix while restraining others in similar frequencies.....



Are you guys seriously talking about going through all that trouble just to do some basic gates or am I completely missing what y'all are talking about :cry:


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TechMouse wrote:
Tell you what's easier... TC Works Compressor & Sidechainer.

Believe me, I was using Waves for ages, then I had a go with TC - and I nearly cried when I realised the hours spent and flexibility lost.


Damn fucking straight yet no matter how many times I say it I keep being ignored! :x


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no no - ok like using a hi hat pattern to gate a string and make it all stuttered

yes you could cut your string manually but that would prolly take longer

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dopamine wrote:
TechMouse wrote:
Tell you what's easier... TC Works Compressor & Sidechainer.

Believe me, I was using Waves for ages, then I had a go with TC - and I nearly cried when I realised the hours spent and flexibility lost.


Damn fucking straight yet no matter how many times I say it I keep being ignored! :x


I hear ya Matt

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that's what I thought you guys were talking about :lol:


god... all that just to do some simple gating.... dunno why you think it'd take long to do by hand. obviously depends on how long the loop is, how long you're looping the loop, how long and how creative you want the automation to be



sorry, but I'm gonna have to say that doing gating that way is the longer way


You can either draw them in by hand, or assign volume to a c.c. controller and voila - minutes later you're done




BUT, if you're talking about making your string become stuttered via the Hat loops on and off points, then yeah - doing it by hand and ear would take a lil while I guess.... why would you need something to be gated that exact anyway.....

I think you could just do it by hand and be fine.

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SubtleGestures wrote:
that's what I thought you guys were talking about :lol:

why would you need something to be gated that exact anyway.....


cos it would sound well glitchy with less rythymical interference

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SubtleGestures wrote:
that's what I thought you guys were talking about :lol:


god... all that just to do some simple gating.... dunno why you think it'd take long to do by hand. obviously depends on how long the loop is, how long you're looping the loop, how long and how creative you want the automation to be



sorry, but I'm gonna have to say that doing gating that way is the longer way


You can either draw them in by hand, or assign volume to a c.c. controller and voila - minutes later you're done




BUT, if you're talking about making your string become stuttered via the Hat loops on and off points, then yeah - doing it by hand and ear would take a lil while I guess.... why would you need something to be gated that exact anyway.....

I think you could just do it by hand and be fine.

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Doing it by hand is in NO WAY going to be quicker mate...you just have to sidechain a gate, it takes me about 30 seconds to do this with Logic's built-in gate.

Plus, you'll never be able to draw the subtle stutters in by hand, and the Gate will also give you threshold, attack etc. controls.

Very creative...I also use this technique with a long pad sound sidechained to my drum sub, or maybe just to the hats.

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plazadefunk wrote:
SubtleGestures wrote:
that's what I thought you guys were talking about :lol:


god... all that just to do some simple gating.... dunno why you think it'd take long to do by hand. obviously depends on how long the loop is, how long you're looping the loop, how long and how creative you want the automation to be



sorry, but I'm gonna have to say that doing gating that way is the longer way


You can either draw them in by hand, or assign volume to a c.c. controller and voila - minutes later you're done




BUT, if you're talking about making your string become stuttered via the Hat loops on and off points, then yeah - doing it by hand and ear would take a lil while I guess.... why would you need something to be gated that exact anyway.....

I think you could just do it by hand and be fine.

my opinion


Doing it by hand is in NO WAY going to be quicker mate...you just have to sidechain a gate, it takes me about 30 seconds to do this with Logic's built-in gate.

Plus, you'll never be able to draw the subtle stutters in by hand, and the Gate will also give you threshold, attack etc. controls.

Very creative...I also use this technique with a long pad sound sidechained to my drum sub, or maybe just to the hats.


yeah I think its fucking wicked. :)

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