he's the idiot?


yeah, he is, but your suggestion makes you more of one
fukin thief

At the end of the day ripped off music/software/video if rife and readily available.

If you actually spend some money on legitimate copies then you are supporting these companies and the induviduals that work there. If your not sending money their way, then you are not supporting them.

If you use alot of illigal stuff when you COULD choose to spend some of your disposable income on supporting the creators, then you are making a bold decision. To not send any money their way is selfish, theft in the technical and moral sense, and you deseve to have your computer catch fire and take all your data with it.

If you throw some money the way of independant developers/labels then you are helping things go round. Without people financialy supporting there would not be much to nick in the first place.

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i can't afford software, i don't really drink and i don't smoke weed and i can't afford to go to clubs. i don't buy expensive clothes (unless my kind parents want to support me on that). i actually have hard time on just paying my bills and all the necessary things, so i'm not even considering buying music software right now.

don't say "get a job", because i'm doing my non-military service, and i have 10 months left.

but well, i can manage.

so should i quit production for now then?

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fuck that - i say everyone should pirate whatever software they fk'in feel like. just like the music/movie/tv show industries, you'll get some people "stealing" and others with a conscious who purchase. some people will switch back and forth between those groups over time. piracy is a liability cost of doing business in a form of media that is so easy to "steal". if people have the ability to get something for free, you're going to get people taking it for free. especially Re: downloads where the manufacturer doesn't have to pay for the theft (like golf clubs or guitars) chalk it up to human nature and stop moaning about it. better yet, come up with an innovative method of delivering the product/service in a way that people WANT to pay for it. i.e. if it's more convenient/cheaper/easier to buy it than steal it, you've solved the problem.

ft2 used to be the shit but it's a bit restricted nowadays isn't it
the old takomo dnb tracks were made with it

buzz, well otherwise great (unlimited amount of machines and completely modular so you can basicly do anything you want), but it hasn't developed since year 2001 or so when oskari lost all the source codes in hd crash, so it did crash too often on my pc.

i'm using fruity at the moment actually, but i can't even afford that right now, i'd have to stop eating for a month if i want to buy it. that's how good my financial state is at the moment

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You're absolutely right - this is the case. People, in general, are that shit.

It's the same reason that rapings, murders, muggings and fraud happen. As a species, we're a bunch of complete cunts and we'll happily trample over anyone and anything that gets in the way of our ultimate selfish happiness.

... and that will be the case as long as this kind of behaviour is accepted and tolerated. It would be a different story if it was socially unacceptable to pirate music / software. i.e. if you had a similar reaction to someone pirating an album as you might to someone stealing that album from <insert name of local record shop here>.

Anyway, long story short: you're right, Keld, but it's depressing that you're right.

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Indeed... but you get what you pay for, as they say.

That said, Free / Open Source Software is slowly catching up with commercial software in most areas, and it's already surpassed it in some - notably operating system tools and server software. It's currently well behind with music software, but IMHO it's only a matter of time.

How much time is a different question.

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I find it v strange that people feel they have the "right" to produce music. If you can't afford it then it doesn't give you the right to steal it.

I'd love to go snowboarding every winter but I can't afford it. So I go without.

If you can't afford music equipment then I hate to say it but tough shit. Go without something until you can afford it. Anyone who says they are so poor there's nothing they can cut back on and they'll never be able to afford it would surely not be able to afford the computer to run it off anyway.

There's a lot of things I REALLY want to do but can't afford to. Unfortunately I have to go to work everyday so that I can afford to do SOME of them.

This argument still isn't gonna have any effect on the piracy of music software... what really needs to happen if the companies want to stop piracy is to offer added value with the product so that a copy would only be have the 'service'.

Maybe member only support, or extra VSTs available for proper purchases, full on-line registration required.. stuff like that.

Maybe?

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You're completely right 7below. I certainly don't expect anyone to stop using their stolen software because I said it was bad.

I think Ableton are kind of on the right track though. They are a relatively small company with a large presence on the company forum (unlike NI, Steinberg et al). Their customer support is very prompt and they integrate a lot of user requests into updates of the software. As a result they have a "community" feel about them and as a result many people are happy to support them.

I still use a cracked version of Ableton Live 4 because I can't be bothered to get a new authorisation key everytime I reformat my audio pc.

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bollocks. don't pay for it one day it might not be there. simple as. I know of two really good record labels that are winding up at the moment largely due to the effect of piracy. That's a pretty straightforward equation, rape it off the internet = less quality music/software.

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i dont think there is much simple about it or it wouldnt be fucking so many companies/people out of cash. i'd say it's a complicated problem that needs a fix at the source, it can't be patched with legislation/limits on technology/whatever.

have you heard about this bush meat problem they have in africa. people are eating endangered primates and stuff. it doesn't seem to matter how socially unacceptable they try to make it, or how stiff the punishments are for being caught. they just keep eating bush meat. but they've found that if fish supplies are abundant bush meat consumption drops. solution: provide fish.

needs to be a similarly lateral solution. people are just making a judgement on stuff like: perceived value of goods, cost, probability of punishment, the amount they value ethics, etc. i'm thinking people KNOW it's wrong, but the reality is it still happens. you're going to have to deliver more value at lower cost, you can't start locking people up like fucking america. i've just gotten back from 2 weeks in florida, fuck that country is fucked up. it's good to be back!