Jung wrote:
Fandango Baglips wrote:
It's Fergie and the fans that I hate. Their arrogance is unrivalled. They seem to think it is their god given right to the premier league each and every year. fergie even digged that City needed 5 minutes of injury time to win it.... He must forget how much fucking injury time he gets in all of his fucking games!! Wanker.
I have never met
1.a proper United fan who thought it was our right to win things, used to it maybe but expected hardly. People who expect to win things know very very little about football and should be punished just so, as they probably have been.
I didn't think we would win it after we got tanked at the Etihad, then it swings around and you think maybe, then on the last day I just went out to watch some football really, never thought we would be ahead at the 90th minute which was nice but it happens.
2.Being a football fan is based on jealousy and triumph, one does not really exist without the other but people just seem to be blinkered really.
3.I mean if you expected to win things where would the excitement come from when you actually do, therefore why would you want to support them in the first place. You are probably a very bitter old man with little grip on how these things actually work 
1. This is what is hard to come by and maybe you are correct. I work in sales and football is always a good topic to start when you are doing things and just need to keep the conversation flowing whilst you are fucking around with forms etc... It's surprising how many fans of top teams there are who have never even been to a game, or at least went to one years and years ago. I engage them with questions to see if they actually know anything and the majority of the time they don't know a thing past the last few years. It's led me to be very sceptical of 'fans' of premier league clubs. The last couple of months has been the obvious to any Man Utd fans (hardly spoke to any City lot) about how they think the league will end. The arrogance has just angered me so much from them with looks of "why the fuck wouldn't Man Utd win it?" although this was possibly a defence mechanism as they couldn't bear claiming to support a team miles away that haven't won. A few know some stuff and if it's younger lads then I can forgive it but when it's a bloke my age who claims to have supported MU all these years abnd doesn't even know about Andy Cole hitting the post against West Ham in 1995 which could have won them the league etc.. I just wonder at what age he started following MU and what possessed him? For me, I didn't really support a football team until about 1995 when I was 14. I was mates with a couple of lads who loved it and they always talked about it and I decided to go along to a game. It gripped me. It wasn't the football that got me. We had John Duncan at the helm and all he did was get behind the ball with a flat back 7 and try to poach a 1-0 win. If arsenal fans want to complain about George Graham then you should have watched this dreadful shower of shite. But the atmosphere, the feeling like it was my people and this was my team, my town and I was going to back them to the hilt. I wouldn't have felt that going to a scarborough game, or Bolton game or even a top side like Liverpool (top side then) game. I went to every game for a few seasons after that until I had to start paying for it myself and could only afford one every so many. So I cannot understand for the life of me fans of top teams who support a club for years before they even go to a game. Now I work in Derby, Barnsley and Doncaster so they are all half decent sides and two of those have had top level football in recent years. What possess a person to support another club from a town where they didn't grow up? A team that doesn't put their town on the map? The only reason I can think of is.... victory. Their team don't win so they support one that does. You can't say it's to watch better football because I still watch the same football you can but support my home club. I was actually talking to a Swindon fan last week and it made me piss when he bought up Jan Age Fjortoft as it was a name I hadn't heard for years and proof to me that he knew what was going off at Swindon mid 90's.
2. I would have put loyalty in there but I suppose it is hard to be loyal to a team all those miles away whilst surrounded by plastic fans.
3. Thats the thing though. You may only speak to a handful of football fans compared to me and most of those will be your mates. I see every tom, dick and harry. I've spoken to a villa fan change allegiance to Man City. I've spoken to a Wednesday fan that started supporting arsenal when they went down from the prem. After a while, I just see more and more of these 'fans' of teams at the top far away from them that just like to say it more than anything. I do speak to proper fans don't get mne wrong. there are still plenty of them and it warms my heart when you talk to some old lad who goes home and away with somebody like Rotherham. I wish I could afford to go to more games. I wish I didn't work saturdays. I'm not bitter that I support chesterfield. Why would I be? They are MY team and they always will be. We went down, we will go up. That is our life and always has been. Anything better would be amazing but to get that, i'm not going to go for a bigger club.
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