There's a mad little program called Energy XT that allows you to chain vst synths AND effects together and put these modules between them (arps, chords etc etc) so you can create gargantuan patches. Similar to what you're doing Chris but with a lot more bells and whistles - it does a lot more than just that though. You should be able to find the link on KVR. It's a very cheap program and well worth the money.

Hey, THANKS a bunch...... I had a look at it, and it looks pretty damn cool... I've been acquiring so much new software lately, I'm about to have to take a breather for a while...

Definitely appreciate you pointing that one out to me - I may be interested in something like that later on down the line.


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Yep. If you show the i/o section you get a choice of 3 options for monitoring: On/Auto/Off.

On will monitor the input (audio input in case of audio or midi on a midi channel).
Auto will monitor when recording and otherwise play back clips from session/arrangement view (this is what you use if you want to do live on-the-fly looping - one the most powerful things about using Live ahem... Live!).
Off will play back clips from session/arrangement



Get it SG! It's an awesome program and PDC is a godsend. There are a few slight niggles when working with CPU intensive projects but for me the pros of working with such an intuitive system FAR outweigh the cons.

The only thing I'm worried about is whether or not my .als's from 3 are compatible w/5...... .......


Plus, I haven't read about what kind/if any bugs are present in the latest version, etc.....

I'm hoping they've had enough time to error out all potential problems.



Do you encounter any kind of bugs? Are you having problems rendering at all? I actually read a couple threads (months back mind you) where there was a good amount of people complaining about the "quality of the render."


thks

Thanks for explaining that SplashMash.

I was taking some time to learn 'n' explore last night and I was looking at using Dummy Clips.. Hoffman's got a really cool post on the Ableton forum, where he's like almalgamated a plethora of tricks n tips and I was having a lot of fun going through some of them last night..

.. by far the best was the dummy clip useage there of - opens up a whole new way of using live and working with wet tracks and track automation.. you should check it out IF you haven't already.



SubtleG, I looked for you for about 10 mins on their forum but unfort. couldn't find anything on it wither way...

Best just fire up a post or I can do it for you if you like.

Pilch

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I really appreciate it dude, but don't worry about it: I'll check into it well in advance of me getting 5.... and that won't be until after the holidays.

thks

oops double post

hehe, no problemos... you was so happy u posted ta-wice

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I won't lie. There ARE bugs. There is a documented issue with rendering where you occasionally get glitches in the rendered audio. This is more prevalent when using external vsts. To be honest though, I usually use resample instead of render - that way you hear exactly what you get. That said, I'm finding Live rock solid in the club and I have it doing allsorts including driving external synths and looping things from audio inputs on the fly.


Yeah, Hoffman2k is a bit of an Ableton don over there on the Ableton forum. I don't think it's the same Hoffman from these parts though is it? It's all about the cheeky little advanced tricks and workarounds with Ableton. Check Robert Henke's "Making Rain" video for some really interesting stuff. http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=a ... b=monolake

See.... that really scares me that you mentioned that.... because as of right now...

Live 3.04 is beyond solid... If you've got another dedicated VSTi sequencer, then the ONLY retarded thing about V. 3.04 is that it doesn't have delay compensation...

I'd pay $200 for a version that was just like 3.04 (NO Vsti support and everything about 3 STAYS the same[no holding CTR just to browse around the song/clips], but had Delay Comp.


I know every lil nook and cranny of 3 like the back of my hand - all the lil "bugs" that are avoidable, etc....... but if I go to 5, I'll be encountering a new world of "bugs" that I don't think I'm ready to go through...



fuckin A, I might have to wait until V. 6

Hey it's not so bad

V4 and 5 are very similar to 3. Bar the Midi implementation (which I find very intuitive) things are pretty much the same.

I say go for it. I can knock out a tune with live, hardware and vstis in a tenth of the time I could with cubase/logic.

There are plenty of differences between 5 and 3.... the transport works very differently and I haven't been happy with what Ableton's done to it since V. 4.

Please understand I'm not going at you, just venting in general


WHY the fuck do I wanna hold CTR down every single time I need to move the play marker around in the transport - fuckin stupidest move they could have made.... hell, if they made it an OPTION, I could care less, but NO, they just decided they were going to make people do things like that..... fuck that!

Now, I'm hearing more about the rendering issue I'd heard about fucking MONTHS ago...... that does not please me in the slightest.


I want the reverse button in the clips very badly, and the new efx (drool).... I'm sure it even runs better on the comp than 3 (usage wise), but I cannot move to a new audio sequencer that still isn't 100%.... it's been out for months... wtf is taking them so long to get it perfect????


There is absolutely nothing wrong w/3.04 besides it not having D.C. - it renders what you put in it EVERYTIME..... and like I said, I know how to avoid all of it's "bugs" - took me over a year to figure all that out....

You really think I wanna go through all of that w/5

Hehe. Well the transport's actually changed again from 4 to 5! Something a few people on the forum have grumbled about but I get on quite well with it.

If you don't like change then the way the new file browser and patch management work might annoy you too. Give it a chance though - change isn't always a bad thing.

I think it's quite difficult for them to please anyone because it's a very open-ended application that different people use in different ways. A lot of people have jumped on it from the Cubase and Logic bandwagon for production and they want things to work very differently than those using it as a predominantly live tool. Then you get those who want to use it purely as a (god forbid) "DJ" tool. Personally I think they do pretty well at making it very useable for all those groups of people (I use it for production, live and manipulating other people's tracks - sorry, I refuse to call it DJing).


Admittedly though, it's not for everyone.

Re bugs. Yep they're annoying but there's not that many of them. I personally am willing to deal with them (after all, I've never used a sequencer that wasn't buggy).

Well, my short lived production career was started on a Triton - sequencers don't get anymore rock solid than that.


I hear ya about change possibly being a good thing.... dunno.... I'll have to wait... prolly try the demo out after christmas and see what I think.


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