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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:46 pm 
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Tarekith wrote:
One thing to keep in mind, is that the steeper the curve, the more of a boost you'll get around the cutoff frequency. For instance, a lot of people think a steep high pass slope looks like this:

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When in reality this is closer to the truth:

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Depends on the filter design of course, but in general this is what's going on. That's why when you cut frequencies, you sometimes see the signal level increase some.

In general I say use as shallow of a slope as you can to achieve what you want. And don't high-pass things unless they need it. :)



Would this also be true for audio reproduction? I use a Velodyne SMS-1 Subwoofer Parametric EQ System which is a programable 8 band digital EQ (-20 to +6db / Freq & Q can both be adjusted). I'm using a steep 24db LPF at 20Hz which is the natural roll-off point of the Subwoofers and I figured there was little point trying to move air <20Hz so why waste subwoofer power on that.

Should I also use a 6db LPF?

Sorry for being off-topic :)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:41 pm 
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I'm not familiar with that system so I can't say for sure. In general though, most filtering behaves like this.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:53 pm 
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Tarekith wrote:
I'm not familiar with that system so I can't say for sure. In general though, most filtering behaves like this.



thanks, I'll try and see what it sounds like and what it measures like!

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I'd be really surprised is there is anything below 33Hz coming out of the sub... could be wrong though. Are you going to test it? I'd guess something like 33Hz would be as low as you'd get at listening volume, and that would be pretty damn low!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:57 pm 
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so where does everyone else low pass there bass and kick for instance? And what slope do you use. I normally do it at 30hz


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Lowpass at 30hz would be a terrible idea on a kick, 500hz- 5khz would be more realistic (if at all)

I assume you mean highpass

I never highpass my bass (as in sub), I’d normally let the Mastering engineer do this as I’ve no idea what’s going on down that low. the only instance I can think that I might highpass my sub would be if there were two of them somehow working together, which I’ve never done.

Highpass on a kick really depends what I want from the kick, anything from none at all to 120hz

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:42 pm 
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Hey

Yeah I meant high pass! Brain is working slowlyyy! But yeah I normally high pass/low cut at 30hz, but just wondered what others did in general.

In the context of the mix and even soloed I dont really notice any change from cutting below 30hz, but I dont want to leave all that subsonic rumbling! I have 8 inch VXT 8's which do a pretty good job of representing whats down there


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Walter Odington wrote:
Here's an explanation:

http://www.slideshare.net/op205/design- ... esentation


The upshoot is that the graphs that your software interface face shows you are usually very idealised, and in reality there is all sorts of bumpity bumps... and further to that, to increase the steepness of the primary attenuation (or amplification) at a given frequency then you will also increase the magnitude of the 'side lobes'. Then you get in to the area of filter design and characteristics...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_fi ... %20filters


If you want to find out more, then first stop Computer Music Tutorial by Curtis Roads. Also Findog, the given cutoff frequency is supposed to be at the -3dB mark, and from there on is attenuated at the given steepness per octave. There is a little bit before the cutoff that is attenuated, but as Tarekith says, looking at even closer detail it attenuated and boosted with ze side lobes (which are many but diminish, much like the sidebands of FM or AM).

This is not an frequency response for a low pass filter, but the principle applies that the ideal shape is not the fact reality

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I usually use the UAD Precision EQ at 20Hz, cleans the low end up quite nicely. Their Manley Massive Passive emulation has a nice high pass on it as well, not to mention a good low pass that sweetens and warms the top end quite well... would love a real one of those!

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Rule of thumb: as mellow as possible, steep filters often sound very odd because certain fundamental and early harmonics get knocked off (say for example on lower notes in a scale) and you end up with quite an artificial sound. Be aware that most home monitoring set ups won't reach that low, so if in doubt, mellow or none, or atleast lower than you instinctively think. If there is one thing I get from my clients within the world of EDM that needs fixing, it's odd imagining or phase problems because of "incorrect" filtering :circularsaw:

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my nostalgia for the AKAI S series samplers has me using 12db filters a lot

however i use this for "creative" filtering , not corrective / eq

I also think that the over brightness and loudness of modern sounds has taken away some of the brutal power of sweeping filters

They used to get a lot louder as the resonance hit the lo freqs and more spongy sounding as there wasnt so much hi freq boost on the masters

This sounded great LOUD

richie hawtin + allen and heath mixers was a good demo of this once upon a time

when he swept those filters down your brain would feel like bursting and the sound engineer in the club would start crying

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